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		<title>Comment on Velasquez&#8217;s Las Meninas, and self-perception. by Etienne Deleflie</title>
		<link>http://etiennedeleflie.net/2012/03/28/velasquezs-las-meninas-and-self-perception/#comment-4283</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Etienne Deleflie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 03:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Mark,

No I haven&#039;t read The Order of Things. But I&#039;ll add it to my list. I&#039;m writing up at the PhD at the moment ... trying to avoid reading any new material! I&#039;m sure you know the deal. There&#039;s an element of &#039;cleverness&#039; in this painting ... I&#039;d call it &#039;technical cleverness&#039; ... about how perspective has been mapped. There&#039;s no doubt that a majority of digital art is dominated by a &#039;technically clever&#039; mindset (often as the expense of any expressive resonance). I&#039;ll be interested to read how Foucault&#039;s interprets it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark,</p>
<p>No I haven&#8217;t read The Order of Things. But I&#8217;ll add it to my list. I&#8217;m writing up at the PhD at the moment &#8230; trying to avoid reading any new material! I&#8217;m sure you know the deal. There&#8217;s an element of &#8216;cleverness&#8217; in this painting &#8230; I&#8217;d call it &#8216;technical cleverness&#8217; &#8230; about how perspective has been mapped. There&#8217;s no doubt that a majority of digital art is dominated by a &#8216;technically clever&#8217; mindset (often as the expense of any expressive resonance). I&#8217;ll be interested to read how Foucault&#8217;s interprets it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Velasquez&#8217;s Las Meninas, and self-perception. by Mark</title>
		<link>http://etiennedeleflie.net/2012/03/28/velasquezs-las-meninas-and-self-perception/#comment-4282</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 00:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is a fascinating picture. Have you read the opening chapter if Foucalt&#039;s _The Order of Things_? It&#039;s a very astute analysis that argues that this painting represented a significant shift in history of European art.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a fascinating picture. Have you read the opening chapter if Foucalt&#8217;s _The Order of Things_? It&#8217;s a very astute analysis that argues that this painting represented a significant shift in history of European art.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ambisonics is bad technology by Audio Central Magazine &#187; Audio digitale: l’ascolto (è) consapevole?</title>
		<link>http://etiennedeleflie.net/2012/01/03/ambisonics-is-bad-technology/#comment-4279</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Audio Central Magazine &#187; Audio digitale: l’ascolto (è) consapevole?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 05:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] non sapete che io ed Etienne Deleflie, e prima di noi il mio amico Richard Elen, abbiamo prodotto, documentato e nel mio caso anche messo [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] non sapete che io ed Etienne Deleflie, e prima di noi il mio amico Richard Elen, abbiamo prodotto, documentato e nel mio caso anche messo [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ambisonics is bad technology by Ambisonics is a bad technology? &#124; A J Horsburgh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ambisonics is a bad technology? &#124; A J Horsburgh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] month, Etienne wrote an article explaining his thoughts on the assosiated difficulties with Ambisonics. The brief article got [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Ambisonics is bad technology by David Wareing</title>
		<link>http://etiennedeleflie.net/2012/01/03/ambisonics-is-bad-technology/#comment-4247</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Wareing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Etienne,
My previous attempt to reply does not seem to have made it to here, so I will try again.

Yes it seems I had a &#039;brain fart&#039;. The source file is Ambisonic and the pre-processed file is for an Ambiophonic &#039;PanAmbio&#039; arrangement of speakers.

The speaker geometry I am using for this is a narrow rectangle, 30cm. across (between speaker centres) and about 2.5 metres between the front and rear pair.

Additional information to Raph&#039;s http://www.ambiophonics.org/ can be found here:
http://wwwnew.isvr.soton.ac.uk/FDAG/vap/html/sd.html
http://ambisonic.info/info/ricardo/ambiophonics.html
http://www.filmaker.com/papers.htm
http://www.princeton.edu/3D3A/

My present filters are more optimised for intensity stereo than the pure X-talk cancelling filters described, which are aimed more towards recordings using some sort of microphone which includes a real, or simulated head shadow effect, and interaural delay, This should make them well suited to Ambisonic recordings. How it it is that it seems to reproduce height is a bit of a mystery, but I have some crackpot theories to work on..

David.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Etienne,<br />
My previous attempt to reply does not seem to have made it to here, so I will try again.</p>
<p>Yes it seems I had a &#8216;brain fart&#8217;. The source file is Ambisonic and the pre-processed file is for an Ambiophonic &#8216;PanAmbio&#8217; arrangement of speakers.</p>
<p>The speaker geometry I am using for this is a narrow rectangle, 30cm. across (between speaker centres) and about 2.5 metres between the front and rear pair.</p>
<p>Additional information to Raph&#8217;s <a href="http://www.ambiophonics.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ambiophonics.org/</a> can be found here:<br />
<a href="http://wwwnew.isvr.soton.ac.uk/FDAG/vap/html/sd.html" rel="nofollow">http://wwwnew.isvr.soton.ac.uk/FDAG/vap/html/sd.html</a><br />
<a href="http://ambisonic.info/info/ricardo/ambiophonics.html" rel="nofollow">http://ambisonic.info/info/ricardo/ambiophonics.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.filmaker.com/papers.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.filmaker.com/papers.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://www.princeton.edu/3D3A/" rel="nofollow">http://www.princeton.edu/3D3A/</a></p>
<p>My present filters are more optimised for intensity stereo than the pure X-talk cancelling filters described, which are aimed more towards recordings using some sort of microphone which includes a real, or simulated head shadow effect, and interaural delay, This should make them well suited to Ambisonic recordings. How it it is that it seems to reproduce height is a bit of a mystery, but I have some crackpot theories to work on..</p>
<p>David.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ambisonics is bad technology by Etienne Deleflie</title>
		<link>http://etiennedeleflie.net/2012/01/03/ambisonics-is-bad-technology/#comment-4238</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Etienne Deleflie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 02:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi David, 

Do you mean &#039;ambisonic&#039; instead of &#039;ambiophonic&#039; in the second paragraph above ... I&#039;m confused (I&#039;m not familiar with ambiophonics at all).

I can take the blame for both soundofspace.com and the UA format ... both are my work.  I know it is all under-documented. I&#039;m a one-man-band and open-source support keeps failing me.

I think you are right about the difference between ambisonically recorded vs encoded sounds. Whilst the maths for encoding point sources of sound ambisonically appears quite simple, actually encoding the behaviour of sound in space is very complex (and requires pretty good knowledge of psychoacoustics).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David, </p>
<p>Do you mean &#8216;ambisonic&#8217; instead of &#8216;ambiophonic&#8217; in the second paragraph above &#8230; I&#8217;m confused (I&#8217;m not familiar with ambiophonics at all).</p>
<p>I can take the blame for both soundofspace.com and the UA format &#8230; both are my work.  I know it is all under-documented. I&#8217;m a one-man-band and open-source support keeps failing me.</p>
<p>I think you are right about the difference between ambisonically recorded vs encoded sounds. Whilst the maths for encoding point sources of sound ambisonically appears quite simple, actually encoding the behaviour of sound in space is very complex (and requires pretty good knowledge of psychoacoustics).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ambisonics is bad technology by Etienne Deleflie</title>
		<link>http://etiennedeleflie.net/2012/01/03/ambisonics-is-bad-technology/#comment-4237</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Etienne Deleflie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 02:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Ralph,

You are right that I haven&#039;t tried it..... but .... yes OK ... I will try it on the iPhone app.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ralph,</p>
<p>You are right that I haven&#8217;t tried it&#8230;.. but &#8230;. yes OK &#8230; I will try it on the iPhone app.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ambisonics is bad technology by David WAreing</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David WAreing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 11:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is quite difficult to get people to try anything new, particularly if it involves moving speakers..

It took me most of a day searching the mass of Ambiophonic &#039;stuff&#039;, and trying various audio editors, to discover in the small print the simple fact that renaming a file from .amb to ,wav enables it to be read into AudioMulch and that c:/wvunpack.exe y:/jhroy_rain-over-the-tent.ua will make the four channel wav file y:/jhroy_rain-over-the-tent.wav

It does not seem that anyone has tried, or is likely to try, an alternative way of decoding Ambiophonic files

http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-49067.html
&quot;I have recently made an Ambisonic to Pan-Ambiophonic-thingy decoder. I hope you can try this Pre-processed files as you are probably one of few people set up to do so.
Stereo-dipole - front channel 1.2 , rear channel.5,6, Channel 3.4 empty.
Source file from here:
http://soundofspace.com/ambisonic_files/58
My dual Ambiophonic file here:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7MX2W3FR
AmbiFusion-DW-jhroy_hot-air-balloons.aac
You should hear 3D ie. including height. &quot;

Ambisonic recordings are just fine, but the idea that the maths supports the idea that one can recreate the soundfield, at even for a small blob of space, by making standing waves and interference patterns , is either wishful thinking, or somewhat dishonest. The process is irreversible, IMO.

David.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is quite difficult to get people to try anything new, particularly if it involves moving speakers..</p>
<p>It took me most of a day searching the mass of Ambiophonic &#8216;stuff&#8217;, and trying various audio editors, to discover in the small print the simple fact that renaming a file from .amb to ,wav enables it to be read into AudioMulch and that c:/wvunpack.exe y:/jhroy_rain-over-the-tent.ua will make the four channel wav file y:/jhroy_rain-over-the-tent.wav</p>
<p>It does not seem that anyone has tried, or is likely to try, an alternative way of decoding Ambiophonic files</p>
<p><a href="http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-49067.html" rel="nofollow">http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-49067.html</a><br />
&#8220;I have recently made an Ambisonic to Pan-Ambiophonic-thingy decoder. I hope you can try this Pre-processed files as you are probably one of few people set up to do so.<br />
Stereo-dipole &#8211; front channel 1.2 , rear channel.5,6, Channel 3.4 empty.<br />
Source file from here:<br />
<a href="http://soundofspace.com/ambisonic_files/58" rel="nofollow">http://soundofspace.com/ambisonic_files/58</a><br />
My dual Ambiophonic file here:<br />
<a href="http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7MX2W3FR" rel="nofollow">http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7MX2W3FR</a><br />
AmbiFusion-DW-jhroy_hot-air-balloons.aac<br />
You should hear 3D ie. including height. &#8221;</p>
<p>Ambisonic recordings are just fine, but the idea that the maths supports the idea that one can recreate the soundfield, at even for a small blob of space, by making standing waves and interference patterns , is either wishful thinking, or somewhat dishonest. The process is irreversible, IMO.</p>
<p>David.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ambisonics is bad technology by Ralph Glasgal</title>
		<link>http://etiennedeleflie.net/2012/01/03/ambisonics-is-bad-technology/#comment-4232</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ralph Glasgal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 23:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Too bad you have not tried Ambiophonics.  I would love to have your comments on any of the Ambiophonic systems and gizmos now available.  See www.ambiophonics.org for links to free apps, free plugins and the latest hardware components.  There are some not there including a new Finnish loudspeaker that includes Recursive Ambiophonic Crosstalk Elimination-The Tabulum Qlara.  I don&#039;t sell anything or try to make money at this.
Ralph Glasgal]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad you have not tried Ambiophonics.  I would love to have your comments on any of the Ambiophonic systems and gizmos now available.  See <a href="http://www.ambiophonics.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.ambiophonics.org</a> for links to free apps, free plugins and the latest hardware components.  There are some not there including a new Finnish loudspeaker that includes Recursive Ambiophonic Crosstalk Elimination-The Tabulum Qlara.  I don&#8217;t sell anything or try to make money at this.<br />
Ralph Glasgal</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ambisonics is bad technology by Bruce Wiggins</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce Wiggins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 12:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Absolutely.  It has been in the dogged determination to keep this flexibility that, I think, has been the biggest barrier to its up-take......]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely.  It has been in the dogged determination to keep this flexibility that, I think, has been the biggest barrier to its up-take&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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